Why is Tornado Cash in the Spotlight?

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its_sageNewbie
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#1Feb 10, 2019, 01:59 PM
Hey, I've been trying to wrap my head around why Tornado Cash is getting so much heat while other mixers seem to fly under the radar. Seems a bit off to me, right? Shouldn’t they all be treated the same? I'm missing some context here.
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#2Feb 10, 2019, 04:47 PM
Tornado Cash is in trouble with the US Treasury for money laundering. They say it helped launder billions, which is why it's on their radar. It's always the mixers that get in trouble, right?
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lonealphaNewbie
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#3Feb 10, 2019, 10:43 PM
Totally true, but let's not forget that it's not the first mixer to get sanctioned. Just recently, Chipmixer was shut down too for the same reasons. So this isn’t new.
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its_sageNewbie
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#4Feb 12, 2019, 08:01 PM
Exactly! But how come some mixers get targeted while others don’t? Like, how do they even know if a wallet's activities are shady? Can the mixer itself track that?
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lonealphaNewbie
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#5Feb 13, 2019, 01:22 AM
Mixing services aren’t illegal. They face consequences when users misuse them for illegal stuff. If they can trace funds back to a hack or scam, that’s when things get dicey.
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#6Feb 13, 2019, 03:15 AM
Both Tornado Cash and Chipmixer were based in countries that would just do whatever the US says. They had a target on them since they were linked to North Korea, which made them way more vulnerable.
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mark21Member
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#7Feb 13, 2019, 03:59 AM
I think mixers always have a target on their backs, especially from US regulators. There’s a lot of debate on their role in privacy vs crime. I’ve never used one and probably won’t. Tornado Cash seems to be under fire for being popular with hackers.
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mr_hodlerNewbie
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#8Feb 13, 2019, 10:01 AM
True that! I wonder how long Sinbad mixer will last since it’s also linked to North Korean hackers. The dev seems pretty confident though.
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its_sageNewbie
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#9Feb 13, 2019, 03:40 PM
Funny how banks get a pass on laundering compared to mixers. They never seem to get sanctioned.
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0xOrbitMember
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#10Feb 13, 2019, 05:19 PM
Once a mixer gains traction and is linked to huge amounts of laundered money, the government gets serious. Especially when groups like Lazarus use it. That’s when the sanctions start.
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shard777Full Member
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#11Feb 13, 2019, 06:42 PM
It’s really about Tornado Cash being involved in a bunch of crime-related stuff. Other mixers haven’t had those issues, so they’re not in the spotlight. Integrity matters with mixers.
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planktonHero Member
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#12Feb 13, 2019, 08:50 PM
Tornado Cash was a major player, so the hit it took shocked the whole industry. They should have known the potential legal issues. But then again, this could apply to any big project.
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node69Newbie
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#13Feb 13, 2019, 10:15 PM
No clear laws say mixers are illegal, but you can bet they’re all on some watchlist. Many have been taken down before Tornado Cash was even mentioned.
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planktonHero Member
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#14Feb 16, 2019, 06:20 AM
Exactly! It’s not like banks are laundering money themselves. It’s usually about their weak security measures.
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0xBullNewbie
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#15Feb 16, 2019, 06:49 AM
I saw on Twitter that the dev might get electronic monitoring instead of jail. He’s allowed to work on his defense now.
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0xOrbitMember
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#16Feb 16, 2019, 12:44 PM
US officials have been after Tornado for years. They think it’s been used for major laundering, like $7 billion worth. No wonder they're focused on it.
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#17Feb 16, 2019, 11:23 PM
All mixers have some dirt under their nails in the eyes of the government. It’s just a matter of time before they get their turn to be targeted.
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CalmMinerFull Member
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#18Feb 17, 2019, 01:13 AM
What do you mean by ‘economic friendliness’? A privacy-focused business won’t thrive if they share data with the government.
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planktonHero Member
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#19Feb 17, 2019, 07:17 AM
But what’s the alternative? Maybe mixers should clarify they don't support money laundering in their terms. Still doesn’t give them immunity.
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0xOrbitMember
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#20Feb 18, 2019, 03:39 AM
There are tons of cases like Tornado Cash. The government keeps banning mixers because they’re seen as tools for crime.
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