Got this chat idea from a thread I saw. So what's the deal with Bitcoin ETFs? They're like a way to trade Bitcoin indirectly on stock exchanges. You get shares of these ETFs instead of actually owning Bitcoin directly.
Why Do Many Investors Prefer Bitcoin ETFs Over Actual Bitcoin?
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Honestly, a lot of folks just don’t wanna get into crypto. They hear it’s risky, or they just think it’s all a big gamble. ETFs offer a simpler way for them to get exposure without all that hassle.
CalmFalconMember
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#3Aug 11, 2020, 06:17 AM
Is it true that buying Bitcoin directly is restricted in the US now? I thought people still had options out there. Sure, some exchanges do KYC, but if you're willing to do a little hunting for a P2P deal, you can definitely snag some Bitcoin and stash it in a wallet.
It's wild the stuff you hear from people about crypto. I’ve had some crazy convos where folks think it’s this Ponzi scheme. Just put money in and expect returns... what?
But does that change Bitcoin's decentralized nature? Nope, not at all. People aren’t buying it for the tech, they’re in it for the price gain. Institutions are buying Bitcoin to hold for investors, not because they care about Bitcoin itself.
kevin_bridgeFull Member
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#6Aug 12, 2020, 05:38 PM
The ETF crowd is a totally different ballgame. These aren’t your average joes. It’s mostly institutions and wealth seekers. They let asset managers handle the heavy lifting. That’s why they skip self-custody, they just want their wealth to grow.
Seems like they just wanna offload all the risk to ETF companies. If the market tanks, they don’t wanna be on the hook. Those companies are under pressure to deliver profits regularly, which could skew the market.
A lot of older investors still stick with brokers for everything. I know people who can’t even figure out how to use a smartphone. They definitely aren’t learning how to manage Bitcoin wallets.
I totally get that not everyone cares about decentralization. A lot of folks are just in it to make money, whether it’s long-term or short-term. Managing their seed phrases and keys? Too much stress.
Some aren't even aware of the major differences between Bitcoin and ETFs. We have a chance to invest in Bitcoin in a decentralized way, but so many opt for ETFs, missing the point.
What do you think the actual number is of folks using non-custodial wallets? I bet it’s pretty low. A lot of ETF investors have money but don’t bother to learn how to hold their keys properly. Unlike those who know “not your keys, not your coins”.
sigma_minerNewbie
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#12Aug 13, 2020, 06:31 PM
True, Bitcoin Spot ETFs do own actual Bitcoin, but the investors? They’re just holding ETF shares. honestly, they don’t have real ownership, just reliance on the ETF provider.
alex_whaleMember
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#13Aug 14, 2020, 12:40 PM
Not everyone is keen on self-custody. A lot of them feel safer with a company handling their assets, like a parent. They might eventually learn, but for now, many just want that safety net.
But will we end up in a situation where those avoiding KYC are seen as criminals? If that happens, a tiny percentage could be labeled problematic based on their Bitcoin holdings.
b3n_d1amondFull Member
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#15Aug 14, 2020, 11:10 PM
It’s like you don’t see how people prefer being controlled. The banking system is so ingrained that they’d rather let someone else manage their investments instead of taking charge.
People like to shift their risks to ETF companies. If something goes wrong, it’s not on the investor, but the company. Some just want to ignore how Bitcoin really works.
You’re definitely not wrong. Most don’t care about decentralization, just profits. ETF providers are regulated and they feel secure there.
n1nja_2020Newbie
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#18Aug 17, 2020, 01:37 PM
Honestly, a lot of investors don’t know how to keep their Bitcoin safe. They worry about hacks, so having a trusted institution feels safer, especially with insurance options.
Nah, just offering another route to Bitcoin doesn’t mean control. Even if they could regulate acquisition, that’s not the same as controlling the protocol itself.
False. Learn what the word "control" actually means. Providing another way to buy Bitcoin is not any kind of "control".
No, that is not what it does. Even if it were possible to control how people acquire Bitcoin, which it isn't, it does not provide any power that is similar to the power of actually controlling the protocol. Stop hallucinating with AI and using retarded shitcoiners for your thought process.
Why does anyone do anything differently than what you do? Ghee, I wonder how it is possible at all that anyone does something else than you. Obviously there are only 2 big groupings that provide an answer: Good reasons to do it and Bad reasons to do it. If someone buys it for bad reasons, what is it to you? Why would you care about this particular error of theirs when you are ignoring thousands of errors of you, your friends, your family? For the good reasons, you need to educate yourself before you pose questions with false assumptions. There are many entities that could not buy Bitcoin at all without the existence of ETFs. We have ETFs for a reason, and that reason has nothing to do with Bitcoin.
False, don't make up shit. That explains only a minority of the ETF buyers, and as such is irrelevant to this discussion.
The extent of this is not possible to know. Either you believe in existing institutions that govern this or you don't, but if you don't then you have to question a lot more fucking things except paper ETFs. In the EU, every single institutions is practically corrupt and being exploited. Depending on the bias that one has about the turd called EU, they would think that the SEC is either less or more corrupt.