Exploring the Concept of Negative Coin in Crypto

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#1Jul 23, 2018, 12:02 AM
Hey crypto folks, got a wild thought. What if we could use hashes with trailing ones by running them through a NOT gate? This could lead to a Negative Coin, adding a fresh twist to our ecosystem without needing extra energy. Just some tweaks on the miner's side... what do you think?
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#2Jul 23, 2018, 05:32 AM
But what’s the point? A Negative Coin would just copy what we have now. It doesn’t really solve any issues. Why would anyone want this version?
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#3Jul 23, 2018, 01:13 PM
I see where you’re coming from, but creating an entirely new coin means a lot of adjustments. It might not really offer anything new or beneficial. Plus, would the community even rally behind this?
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#4Jul 23, 2018, 04:04 PM
The goal here is to maximize value with existing energy use. I mean, those output values are just wasted potential. It’s like we’re overlooking a gem, right?
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#5Jul 23, 2018, 05:58 PM
Not really convinced. It sounds good in theory, but the energy spent is all about finding valid hashes, not the output. This Negative Coin thing would clash with Bitcoin’s rules.
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#6Jul 24, 2018, 12:59 PM
Haha, congrats! You might’ve invented merged mining. But the reality is, you can't have a block that's valid for both networks simultaneously. If they can’t overlap, why would miners even bother?
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#7Jul 24, 2018, 04:51 PM
Exactly! The core of Negative Coin revolves around finding a hash post-NOT gate. Sure, it looks like a pattern, but we still need those bits to match the block header.
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#8Jul 24, 2018, 08:41 PM
I’m a bit lost. Wouldn’t this create exclusive conditions? A single hash can't work for both chains, right? So, you’d need separate headers for each chain. Kinda defeats the purpose of merged mining.
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#9Jul 24, 2018, 11:08 PM
Thanks for the clarity. So the idea is to hang onto those negative hashes we usually discard during mining. Maybe we could do something meaningful with them instead.
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#10Jul 24, 2018, 11:15 PM
Yeah, I sent my last post before reading your update. Storing those hashes could definitely have benefits. But... doing it on Bitcoin's chain? That’s a whole protocol change, which seems unlikely.
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#11Jul 25, 2018, 01:10 AM
True, but nothing stops you from keeping track of various hashes. Mining pools already accept lower difficulty shares, so why not experiment with other patterns?
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#12Jul 27, 2018, 08:09 AM
Just a reminder: Bitcoin's system doesn’t work by counting trailing zeroes like the white paper suggests. It’s about making sure the hash is below the target. Your Negative Coin would need a different setup.
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#13Jul 27, 2018, 09:35 AM
Honestly, even if this Negative Coin could exist, how would it function? Every transaction would require its own blocks and a different proof of work. It’s just a fork waiting to happen.
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#14Jul 27, 2018, 12:33 PM
We often discuss quantum threats to blockchain but rarely touch on quantum miners. If we keep those negative hashes, an attacker would need serious power to match difficulty both ways. That could offer some defense.
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#15Jul 27, 2018, 06:00 PM
So basically, the idea of Negative Coin could help counter potential attacks by making the mining process more complex. Interesting angle!
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