Can We Verify Bitcoin Reserves Privately?

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alpha23Member
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#1Jul 22, 2018, 11:02 AM
So I’ve been thinking about this whole proof of reserves thing. Critics keep saying that Bitcoin proxies like MSTR don't show public addresses. But they're audited by big names like KPMG, right? I mean, wouldn't they mess up their reputation? Still, I want a way to prove the funds are actually there.
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#2Jul 22, 2018, 11:43 AM
Totally get that. Just search up bitcoin provisions or something. Taproot is a solid option for private and efficient solvency proofs.
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AtomicForkFull Member
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#3Jul 22, 2018, 02:08 PM
Yeah I get the point, but I wouldn’t trust auditors much. Dealt with some sketchy professionals in court. They can easily attach their names to shady stuff if the conman plays their cards right.
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alpha23Member
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#4Jul 23, 2018, 12:23 AM
Right, but we can actually prove ownership of a UTXO without revealing much. There are ways like using anonymous tokens or taproot-ring signatures.
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MadNovaHero Member
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#5Jul 23, 2018, 04:15 AM
I was struggling to find a user-friendly service for this. Just came across papers, nothing usable. Strategy is looking for this too. They hold a ton of BTC, so they need something secure and reliable.
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seed_2013Senior Member
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#6Jul 23, 2018, 06:21 AM
I asked something similar before, and honestly, the responses were low quality. People thought FTX was a safe bet too. You can bribe anyone if they want to save face.
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alpha23Member
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#7Jul 25, 2018, 03:22 PM
KPMG is a big name, but I’m skeptical. There’s always the risk they could fudge the numbers with Strategy. Just look at the Enron scandal.
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just_sageFull Member
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#8Jul 25, 2018, 03:34 PM
Yeah, Arkham’s registry isn’t official. Just estimates based on some past sales from Saylor. Plus, there are missing coins. They gotta sort out this FUD about fake coins.
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0xNodeMember
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#9Jul 25, 2018, 09:00 PM
You make a good point. MSTR goes through intense audits and KPMG wouldn’t want to ruin their name. But honestly, in Bitcoin, we should be able to verify things for ourselves.
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AtomicForkFull Member
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#10Jul 25, 2018, 11:06 PM
In theory, it’s feasible to create a system that proves Bitcoin holdings without exposing sensitive addresses. Merkle proofs could work, for example.
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#11Jul 27, 2018, 01:07 AM
I doubt you can build a live connection for proofs like that without risking too much. A web interface would be useless when companies are reachable in simpler ways.
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alex.byteLegendary
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#12Jul 27, 2018, 01:37 AM
Yes, it’s possible to do the proofs, but it’s tricky.
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#13Jul 27, 2018, 01:48 AM
Can’t trust any firm, no matter how reputable. Look at Arthur Andersen’s fall when they got caught in the Enron mess.
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alex.byteLegendary
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#14Jul 27, 2018, 04:02 AM
Sure, but some real users say it's possible. You can’t just trust AI for everything. Cryptographers would explain how to validate data behind the hashes safely.
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#15Jul 27, 2018, 08:56 AM
AI can be handy to simplify tech stuff, but I’m not a coder either. Just ran some basic courses back in college. Still, what I know is that there are better ways to link transactions to identities.
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#16Jul 27, 2018, 01:05 PM
Yeah, I freaked out too with AI info. It’s easy to spot AI errors if you know what to look for. Merkle trees can show hashes but don’t reveal specific details about transactions.
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