Bitcoin's Role in Creative Destruction

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alexsatNewbie
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#1Feb 12, 2019, 04:46 AM
Came across the idea of Creative Destruction while reading about this year's Nobel winners. Joseph Schumpeter first published it back in 1942. Basically, it says that new innovations replace old technologies, adding value and keeping capitalist economies alive. Seems like Bitcoin matches this model pretty well and I'm curious if it's been discussed here.
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0xApeNewbie
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#2Feb 12, 2019, 06:14 AM
Yeah, there are definitely some parallels between fiat and Bitcoin. But we have to keep in mind that Bitcoin's introduction isn't exactly like fiat's history. If it all works out, it seems like people will have to choose between the two systems based on what fits their needs.
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lonecobraSenior Member
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#3Feb 12, 2019, 12:14 PM
Totally agree. Bitcoin can definitely replace fiat and even things like gold or stocks in some ways. I think fiat is gonna struggle the most since many used to see it as their main store of value, especially in areas without access to stock markets.
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tom.pixelHero Member
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#4Feb 12, 2019, 06:15 PM
I saw a similar thread earlier about Benner's Theory and Bitcoin being this evolving, volatile asset. Before 2009, there were a lot of doubts about having a universal currency while traditional ones were thriving. Fast forward, and here we are with Bitcoin.
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it5_lynxMember
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#5Feb 12, 2019, 09:15 PM
Creative destruction is in play with Bitcoin, but not fully yet. You mentioned loans and risks, which are big factors. In my country, I doubt fiat is going away entirely since many people rely on it for daily transactions.
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#6Feb 13, 2019, 02:10 AM
Your thoughts on creative destruction got me thinking about innovation and economic change. I once read a quote: 'Destruction is job number 1 (before the competition does it to you).' Bitcoin seems like a part of a larger shift that could change how economies operate.
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alexsatNewbie
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#7Feb 13, 2019, 02:50 AM
I can see the point about gold and silver not disappearing completely, especially since they have real-world uses. But I do think Bitcoin could take away some of their speculative value. Not sure how it fits into creative destruction though.
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boss777Senior Member
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#8Feb 13, 2019, 06:03 AM
Silver's value's shot up due to industrial demand, with uses in solar panels and batteries. I doubt Bitcoin will take over precious metals entirely because their demand isn't going away anytime soon. Transitioning from fiat to crypto is gonna take a while.
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alexsatNewbie
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#9Feb 13, 2019, 10:03 AM
Nice points. I agree about needing visionary leaders to drive change, but your vision sounds more futuristic. We don't fully know how far Bitcoin's creative destruction will extend yet.
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yield_2017Senior Member
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#10Feb 13, 2019, 10:37 AM
People do have other options besides Bitcoin. Other cryptos can process transactions faster and cheaper. Even with Lightning Network, many still favor stablecoins on different networks.
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#11Feb 13, 2019, 02:54 PM
Crypto could really shake up financial markets, but traditional finance is still holding strong. I’ve heard rumors of blockchain entering stock markets but no concrete plans yet. What’s it really gonna destroy, though? Fiat? Banking?
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#12Feb 13, 2019, 04:05 PM
From what I've seen, Bitcoin is a huge innovation but its replacement potential is tricky given its volatility. CBDCs are also coming up as a digital alternative, so many barriers remain.
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planktonHero Member
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#13Feb 16, 2019, 02:56 AM
Creative destruction isn’t just theory; it’s happening with technology in banking. Running a bank is costly, and they might have to shift to accommodate crypto to cut those costs.
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kevin_bridgeFull Member
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#14Feb 16, 2019, 06:58 AM
New assets won’t replace old ones unless the old ones stop making money. I don’t see Bitcoin fully replacing anything, just a gradual shift over time as long as old assets remain profitable.
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#15Feb 16, 2019, 11:53 AM
I get that, but for Bitcoin to really replace fiat, the old system has to go. It can’t just coexist forever, right?
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#16Feb 18, 2019, 02:49 AM
Loans using Bitcoin are already happening on this forum, even if it's small scale. But I don't think Bitcoin will completely take over banking. There will always be people who prefer traditional methods.
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0xHashMember
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#17Feb 18, 2019, 08:20 AM
Bitcoin's more about preserving value than destroying systems. Stablecoins won’t wreck what they’re built on either. It's more about navigating the innovator's dilemma.
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5igm4777Member
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#18Feb 18, 2019, 12:26 PM
I’m confused. Most places allow Bitcoin for purchases. It’s not a legal issue in most countries, just some places like Turkey. Is it really a barrier?
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alex21Full Member
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#19Feb 19, 2019, 09:57 AM
Interesting thought. Bitcoin might not fully replace fiat but could stabilize it. It could take over some of gold's and currencies' roles without completely disrupting everything.
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alexsatNewbie
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#20Feb 19, 2019, 02:30 PM
I don't know what you're referring to here. In most countries it is perfectly legal to pay for most goods with Bitcoin, and governments and legislatures have already regulated it, so it's not "because they don't know". So technically this "barrier" in most countries (except some dictatorships like Turkey) doesn't exist. What is FOHO? This can indeed happen, I think. Bitcoin would in this case not replace fiat, but become a "source of fiat stability". It would perhaps slowly grab some share away from gold and currencies like the USD used as "reserve currencies", without completely destroying them. As I understand the Theory of Creative Destruction, such a "full destruction" is also not necessary for the concept to apply: it is sufficient if a relevant pattern (in this case the "USD-centric" reserve market) is changing into another pattern. I agree here, banks can of course even try to capitalize from Bitcoin's boom and offer custody services for those not caring about Bitcoin's trustless qualities. But it is likely that if clumsy services like SWIFT are replaced by Bitcoin, the efficiency of the banking system could increase significantly. Probably Bitcoin is still too volatile as hedging costs are too high, but I already doubt it if the volatility stays at current values (~1-2% for 30/60 days). Exactly. I also agree with your remark about the deflation/inflation religions. Perhaps Japan with its extremely low inflation and temporary deflation while holding its development level shows that the deflation camp has some arguments. But of course still Bitcoin's deflation is extremely high, in the case of Japan we're talking about at most 1% per year. @Webetcoins: As written above I don't think it is necessary for Bitcoin to destroy fiat for the theory to apply. It's enough if it manages, for example, to destroy SWIFT or Western Union. IMO P2P lending services based on fiat are still much bigger, and that's of course because Bitcoin is too volatile to really make sense for "real life" lending (e.g. if you want to build a house, not speculative lending). DeFi and trading strategies like short selling are the only lending sectors that could make sense in the present. I think lending will be probably one of the last sectors which will be "destroyed" by Bitcoin, if it will ever. Interesting take, although I don't understand what you mean by your remark about stablecoins. Stablecoins are at most a transitional technology in my opinion, not a core concept of the Bitcoin ecosystem. Basically you would then say that coins that are used for payments (LTC? XMR?) are more disruptive, or do I misunderstand your idea? If you want you can elaborate ...
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