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Just saw a paper on arxiv called POEM: Proof-of-Entropy-Minima. Seems like it could really change how we measure the heaviest chain tip and tackle orphan blocks. They say it can resolve up to 67% of orphans instantly, not just waiting for the next block. What are your thoughts?
MaPosts: 99 · Reputation: 24
Can you break that down a bit? Sounds kinda complex.
CPosts: 8 · Reputation: 85
Nah, I think the author missed something here. It’s a typical error from someone who doesn't grasp probability theory fully. Satoshi got the chain weight calculation right.
CPosts: 8 · Reputation: 85
Care to share those specific errors?
HuPosts: 7 · Reputation: 188
Yeah, I'm curious about the probability issue you mentioned.
CPosts: 8 · Reputation: 85
There’s no mistake in probability. Don’t twist my words. What do you actually think of this paper? You believe it’s on point?
HuPosts: 7 · Reputation: 188
Honestly, I think it makes sense.
CPosts: 8 · Reputation: 85
What definition of ‘entropy’ is the author using throughout the paper? I’m interested.
DiPosts: 200 · Reputation: 2112
It’s cool that they don’t specify it. Lowering chain reorg requirements is a plus. If I’ve got it right, they’re suggesting we shift from difficulty to chainwork based on the current block, right?
HuPosts: 7 · Reputation: 188
#10Sep 29, 2025, 08:57 PM Reading through the paper, it’s not just about changing chain work. They want to redefine tip weight from this rough formula to a geometric calculation. That’s supposed to speed things up and reduce conflicts.
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#11Sep 29, 2025, 09:44 PM delta_S = 1/2^n, where n is leading zeros. This lines up with Shannon’s entropy. It’s about miners doing work to cut down entropy and create order.
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#12Sep 30, 2025, 12:14 AM Wait a sec. First thing in any Probability Theory class is defining the probability space. Without that, nothing makes sense. You can’t talk about probability or expectation without a defined space.
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#13Sep 30, 2025, 04:45 AM But they do define it as 2^l, which for Bitcoin is 2^256.
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#14Sep 30, 2025, 07:34 AM True, it’s finite, so we’re looking at a discrete probability space. Every hash h has the same chance, regardless of its appearance. But what about the event when a block with target T is mined?
TPosts: 66 · Reputation: 625
That’s the issue. If you make PoW easier, difficulty adjusts up. Energy use stays the same. This applies to any proposal to enhance mining efficiency.
MaPosts: 99 · Reputation: 24
Exactly. Satoshi’s KISS principle worked. Yet people keep complicating things with their ‘improvements’ that just create more issues. Simplicity is key.
WPosts: 127 · Reputation: 575
Totally agree. If you can’t explain it simply, maybe it’s not worth doing.
HuPosts: 7 · Reputation: 188
That’s the crux. The amount of work to create a block depends on the target, not the hash value. So using hash values for the longest chain is kinda off. But it does help reduce orphan blocks.
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Oh, and there’s now a security proof for PoEM that backs it up. It shows how this adjustment can prevent selfish mining and speed up finalization.
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Using the apparent difficulty has been tossed around before. But it raises issues like withholding attacks. If a miner’s block is good, they might just hold back on announcing it.