How a Stealth 51% Attack on Bitcoin Could Work

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tom51Full Member
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#1Jun 27, 2019, 09:15 PM
Before diving into my idea of a stealth 51% attack, let's talk about how transaction filters operate.
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sigma2016Newbie
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#2Jun 28, 2019, 01:43 AM
Imagine there are red transactions (spam) and green transactions (valid). Nodes only allow green transactions, filtering out the reds. So your node gets these transactions from wallets and other nodes, right? It then keeps the greens in the mempool.
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topblastNewbie
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#3Jun 28, 2019, 02:39 AM
But what if miners start making empty blocks, just with the coinbase transaction? Those spread way faster. Should they just classify everything else as red and only keep coinbase green? Makes risky for users like Bob, right?
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tom51Full Member
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#4Jun 29, 2019, 02:07 AM
Honestly, not sure why we’d bother running Knots to counter 51% attack threats. Like how many confirmations do we really need?
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wallet_vaultFull Member
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#5Jun 29, 2019, 03:42 PM
It’s been proven some mining pools could pull off a 51% attack but didn’t, because the fallout isn’t worth it. If panic hits, Bitcoin price drops fast.
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tom51Full Member
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#6Jun 30, 2019, 11:25 PM
I'm all for BIP110, helps tackle spam directly at the consensus level. It sets limits to make sure core developers can’t mess with it.
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#7Jul 1, 2019, 12:10 AM
But do you really think they wouldn’t benefit from this? With over half the hashrate, they could spam blocks endlessly without fear of orphaning.
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tom51Full Member
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#8Jul 1, 2019, 04:21 AM
Most of the transactions my node sees end up in blocks. Sure, some slip through, but that’s rare.
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wallet_vaultFull Member
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#9Jul 1, 2019, 05:41 AM
This is kinda interesting. I’m not a cryptographer, but I’m speaking from my own understanding of Bitcoin. Why call out names when we're talking theories?
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tom51Full Member
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#10Jul 1, 2019, 10:36 AM
Dude, if you don’t use generic names like Alice and Bob, people might not take you seriously. It’s a standard way to discuss concepts in tech.
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sigma2016Newbie
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#11Jul 2, 2019, 12:36 PM
Just because something’s been done for ages doesn’t make it good. Like, people smoke crack forever, that doesn’t legitimize it!
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#12Jul 2, 2019, 06:05 PM
When miners mess with the P2P network like with LibreRelay, they’re trying to cheat filters to push spam, that’s a big problem.
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tom51Full Member
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#13Jul 2, 2019, 10:19 PM
Isn’t using stuff like LN just another kind of attack? Wouldn't all that traffic be better off on-chain?
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sigma2016Newbie
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#14Jul 3, 2019, 03:35 AM
What’s being described isn’t a real 51% attack. Two miners with 66% hash power are squeezing out a third. It’s more about censorship resistance.
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tom51Full Member
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#15Jul 3, 2019, 06:58 AM
Yeah, LN is layer two but LibreRelay is just taking advantage of the network to load spam. That’s putting more weight on the chain.
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sigma2016Newbie
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#16Jul 3, 2019, 07:39 AM
If they manage to block spammy transactions, they could pretty much censor whatever they want later on. That's scary stuff.
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#17Jul 3, 2019, 11:55 AM
Just to clarify, I’m not saying a 51% attack is happening right now, just that there are signs pointing to it.
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wallet_vaultFull Member
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#18Jul 3, 2019, 05:19 PM
You realize a big pool secretly owns a bunch of others, right? They could just hold back their blocks and mine faster than everyone else.
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alexsatNewbie
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#19Jul 3, 2019, 05:33 PM
If people can’t figure out what's spam, that’s a huge issue. Knots gives no guarantees on future filters.
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tom51Full Member
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#20Jul 5, 2019, 07:02 AM
So, were they the guys routing through NYIIX during the pandemic? Gossip says they beefed up their mining capacity.
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